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the reason he's going to win is this was the most-watched debate since 1980 when ronald reagan ran against carter and there was only one debate that year. >> fox news is pulling out all the stops. to make it look like the race has swung in favor of mitt romney. check out the electoral prediction map fox trotted out today. look at the red states. they gave mitt romney solid democratic states like new mexico and pennsylvania. really? polls should be a snapshot of the current state of the race and there's no doubt mitt romney is benefitting from his debate performance last week. but over "the new york times," the forecast shows president obama still holds a 70% chance of winning the election. the percentage is back in line with the state of the race before the political conventions. president obama made some gains after the dnc. so the race is back to where it was in august. eight years ago today, cnn poll after the first presidential poll put john kerry on top of george bush by one percentage point, 49-48. the race is close. this should surprise no one in america. every vote is going to coun
the reason he's going to win is this was the most-watched debate since 1980 when ronald reagan ran against carter and there was only one debate that year. >> fox news is pulling out all the stops. to make it look like the race has swung in favor of mitt romney. check out the electoral prediction map fox trotted out today. look at the red states. they gave mitt romney solid democratic states like new mexico and pennsylvania. really? polls should be a snapshot of the current state of the...
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>> reporter: when president ronald reagan uttered that one line. president obama hopes that one exception is the only one. >> that debate. what happened? >> coverager romney had a good night. i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> it's not the first time i had a bad night. what is important is the fundamental of what this race is about haven't changed. >> karl rove wrote that the first debate will be seen as the decision point in this election. do we make too big a deal out of debates? or does mr. rove have a point? >> we make too big a deal in that it's hard to argue that debates test or reveal aptitudes that are pertinent to the performance of presidential duties. debates are now semiconstitutional events. you cannot become president without participating. clearly, in close elections, '60, '76, 2000, it's plausible to say they caused enough change to be the margin of difference. with regard to this year's, it's too soon to say whether the surge mitt romney got from his debate performance is enough or not. if it is durable, it will be because what happ
>> reporter: when president ronald reagan uttered that one line. president obama hopes that one exception is the only one. >> that debate. what happened? >> coverager romney had a good night. i had a bad night. >> how bad? >> it's not the first time i had a bad night. what is important is the fundamental of what this race is about haven't changed. >> karl rove wrote that the first debate will be seen as the decision point in this election. do we make too big...
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. >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. >> twitter was atwitter about that. that comment got a noticeable reaction from the group of undecided voters i watched during the debate last night. see it blown up there in the bottom of the screen. here is the problem, both kennedy and reagan working in a different time and place. to start, when both kennedy and reagan took office, individual tax rates not even in the ballpark of what we have now. kennedy's plan, enacted after his death, took the top marginal tax rate from 91% to 71% over a two-year period. lots of loopholes, but the growth argument, gdp rose by barely a percent during that time. isn't much when the economy was growing at a rate like china's, but the u.s. was at the time. they got a boost, but not much of one. ronald reagan's first big tax cut went into effect, and the economy did surge. economic growth went from 4.9% to north of 8%. year three, not so impressive. look at quarters, there were some drops. for perspective, today, the top marge call tax rate is 30%, not like are you at 70 or 90. can a r
. >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. >> twitter was atwitter about that. that comment got a noticeable reaction from the group of undecided voters i watched during the debate last night. see it blown up there in the bottom of the screen. here is the problem, both kennedy and reagan working in a different time and place. to start, when both kennedy and reagan took office, individual tax rates not even in the ballpark of what we have now....
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. >> i was there when ronald reagan -- >> 800 million billion -- >> i've been to afghanistan 20 times. >> i was there, man, million billion, it's the cripplingest of crippling sanctions, like, ever, man. that's where i would go. >> what touted me was the loving way paul was staring at joe while he was talking. made me think about what might he have been thinking when he's staring at paul with this loving gaze? i wondered maybe he might say tell me more about how you used to get legislation passed in the continental congress. >> nice. >> very grandfatherly. >> i'm not a funny person. my thought was -- >> oh, stop it. >> you're not intentionally funny. >> thank you. >> yes, you are. >> do the exact opposite. how about biden is presented as a calm, placid figure. >> yes. >> precisely worded sentences and -- that's all i got. >> and ryan comes out in his outfit from "time" magazine, his weight lifting magazine pumping iron. >> oh, man. the ha the hat backwards. >> that would be awesome. >> whatever happens it's going to be amazing. >> great ideas. >> i'm sure they have ideas of their own.
. >> i was there when ronald reagan -- >> 800 million billion -- >> i've been to afghanistan 20 times. >> i was there, man, million billion, it's the cripplingest of crippling sanctions, like, ever, man. that's where i would go. >> what touted me was the loving way paul was staring at joe while he was talking. made me think about what might he have been thinking when he's staring at paul with this loving gaze? i wondered maybe he might say tell me more about how...
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. >> i guess ronald reagan. i mean, i'll be an ingrate if i didn't say ronald reagan. >> what made him special, do you think? >> he had a way of -- he was the great communicator. he had a real way of making important and complex ideas comprehensible to the people. >> did he -- did he give you any advice? >> no. >> did he make any requests? >> no. >> did he say anything? >> no. >> would you tell me if he had? >> he almost got my name right. when we went out to the press room in the white house and one of reagan's aides says to me, "well, we think -- we think he'll get scalia right. but we don't know about antonin." sure enough, i think he messed up actually. >> you were the first italian -- >> i was. >> italian american. the first italian to ever get to the supreme court. [ applause ] >> yeah. it was a big deal for me. i got an enormous amount of mail afterwards. >> did you ever have to pay for a bowl of spaghetti bolognese in new york? >> i have a lot of italian friends. >> when i put questions out on twitter, o
. >> i guess ronald reagan. i mean, i'll be an ingrate if i didn't say ronald reagan. >> what made him special, do you think? >> he had a way of -- he was the great communicator. he had a real way of making important and complex ideas comprehensible to the people. >> did he -- did he give you any advice? >> no. >> did he make any requests? >> no. >> did he say anything? >> no. >> would you tell me if he had? >> he almost got my...
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. >> look at what mitt romney--look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. >> michael: i mean, as my friend cenk uygur would say, of course! the reagan defense. they've relyied on drawing a comparison to ronald reagan as well as one other president. >> it's been done before. >> it's never been done before. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i think paul ryan knew where that was going. i'm joined by erol lewis and thomas frank, thank you for sticking around and talking to us. you know in looking back at this it really taxes the way that they come up in these debates. the thing they're not talking about are mitt romney's taxes. the idea that they can look back and talk about taxes and ryan still getting caught with these lies and then the next day saying that's exactly what we meant to say. how does this work, errol. >> a promise has been made. a big broad promise has been made to splash taxes. it's estimated by a reasonable objective source that this could cost treasury 5 tril
. >> look at what mitt romney--look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. >> michael: i mean, as my friend cenk uygur would say, of course! the reagan defense. they've relyied on drawing a comparison to ronald reagan as well as one other president. >> it's been done before. >> it's never been done before. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i...
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. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or interrupting a guy who's lying to america? >> it was openly contemptuous and disrespectful. >> karen finney on the right wing freak-out over joe biden's knockout performance. >> ever felt that way where you just want to deck somebody? >> an obnoxious drunk. i think somewhere during the debate he took ritalin. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. what did we see? we witnessed a schooling on the issues by vice president joe biden last night. it really was the shot in the arm the democrats and the progressives were hoping for. after watching mitt romney get away with lie after lie
. >> ronald reagan -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> "now's" terri o'neal on the romney ticket's disaster for women. >> if the romney/ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe abortion should remain legal be worried? >> david cay johnston on ryan's sixth study lie. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies have guaranteed. >> and what's more disrespectful? lying to america or...
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ronald reagan signed on to one of the largest -- one of the largest tax increases -- >> that was a tax -- >> that's why -- >> tax reform -- >> kept it from exploding. >> worked out -- >> you have to have some notion of what you want to do. >> the issue here is that, you know, romney has not put any of the details out. i mean, that is true. he's thrown some ideas. he said he's going to balance the budget in seven to ten years while doing tax reform, while increasing defense spending, not touching medicare. i mean there's a lot of things that don't add up but because romney has not given the details doesn't give the president the right to make them up for him. i mean, he is not going to have a $5 trillion net tax cut. >> absolutely good at details -- >> that's not his plan. >> but i think to say there's a $5 trillion tax cut to be offset by mystery meat. you know, that's a correct statement. >> or -- >> there's a $5 trillion tax cut, well, but we don't know what it is he's going to do but what he proposed is a $5 trillion tax cut plus he says, trust me, i'll do something he different. th
ronald reagan signed on to one of the largest -- one of the largest tax increases -- >> that was a tax -- >> that's why -- >> tax reform -- >> kept it from exploding. >> worked out -- >> you have to have some notion of what you want to do. >> the issue here is that, you know, romney has not put any of the details out. i mean, that is true. he's thrown some ideas. he said he's going to balance the budget in seven to ten years while doing tax reform,...
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. >> i guess ronald reagan. >> what made him special, do you think? >> he had way of -- he was the great communicator. he had a real way of making important and complex ideas comp henceable to the people. did he give you an advice when he put you forward? >> no. >> did he make any requests? >> no. >> did he say anything? >> no. >> would you tell me if he had? >> he almost got my name right. when we went out, to the press room in the white house, and one of reagans aides said to me, well, we think, we think he will get scalia right, but we don't know about antonin, and sure enough i think he messed it up. >> you were the first italian to ever get to the supreme court. >> yeah. yeah. it was a big deal for the italians. i got an enormous amount of mail. >> do you have to pay for spaghetti in new york? >> i have a lot of italian friends. >> what i put questions out on twitter. of all the serious ones, one popped out which was what is his favorite pasta dish? >> my favorite pasta dish -- >> your wife does an amazing macaroni. >> she does, she has really le
. >> i guess ronald reagan. >> what made him special, do you think? >> he had way of -- he was the great communicator. he had a real way of making important and complex ideas comp henceable to the people. did he give you an advice when he put you forward? >> no. >> did he make any requests? >> no. >> did he say anything? >> no. >> would you tell me if he had? >> he almost got my name right. when we went out, to the press room in the...
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think john kennedy of 1960, think ronald reagan in 1980. it's possibly that big because the president seemed to be on a glide path towards re-election and all of a sudden here comes the raging bull, mitt romney, out of the dark and they run for the safety exits instead of counterpunches and getting him hard. what happened to barack obama? i'm not certain. i don't know. but i know this, if he comes to the next two debates with the same demeanor and passive resistance, he's losing. >> you called it one of the worst performances of the time? >> one of the most inept performances by an incumbent president i've ever seen. i'm mystified. we do know these things about barack obama. we know he doesn't like to confront people. we know that -- chris: he doesn't like to fight with hillary clinton. >> he doesn't like to. he's really worried about appearing angry in public and that really isn't his natural demeanor but that was unilateral disarmament and was stunning. when mitt romney gives you an opening to talk about romney's accountant and doesn't sa
think john kennedy of 1960, think ronald reagan in 1980. it's possibly that big because the president seemed to be on a glide path towards re-election and all of a sudden here comes the raging bull, mitt romney, out of the dark and they run for the safety exits instead of counterpunches and getting him hard. what happened to barack obama? i'm not certain. i don't know. but i know this, if he comes to the next two debates with the same demeanor and passive resistance, he's losing. >> you...
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reagan had worked together when he has spent the last year sucking up to the tea party is something that the president should have -- >> here is robert gibbs defending the president on "meet the press." gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from the central theory of his economic plan which is his tax cut. i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, pe
reagan had worked together when he has spent the last year sucking up to the tea party is something that the president should have -- >> here is robert gibbs defending the president on "meet the press." gibbs tried to tackle romney's debate flip-flops. i think he did it here. let's watch. >> it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because, as i said earlier, we...
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they have made fools out of every american president since ronald reagan in 1986. there are no moderates in iran. >> well, you basically say, here's what you can have. and by the way, we need inspections and intrusive inspections. unless you give us the confidence that you're not cheating, we're not going to accept the deal. you put it on the table and say if you accept such a deal, you'll get real economic help. if you don't, you're going to continue to feel the pinch. >> richard, let me ask you on october 9th, 2012, i've been asking this question for two years. there are, of course, moderates in iran. half of the country is weste westernized, highly educated. and there are moderates, but they don't run the country. on october 9th, 2012, who runs iran? do we still not know? >> in the intelligence business, iran is right up there with north korea as probably the hardest targets to really understand. >> certainly not ahmadinejad. >> no. supreme leader. >> it's the supreme leader along with -- >> the mullulahs. >> aren't they intimidated by the revolutionary guard? >
they have made fools out of every american president since ronald reagan in 1986. there are no moderates in iran. >> well, you basically say, here's what you can have. and by the way, we need inspections and intrusive inspections. unless you give us the confidence that you're not cheating, we're not going to accept the deal. you put it on the table and say if you accept such a deal, you'll get real economic help. if you don't, you're going to continue to feel the pinch. >> richard,...
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ronald reagan did the same thing from the right. the middle in america governors. it's like a bell curve. most americans are in the middle. you have to appeal to the middle in order to win and then to governor effectively. >> bill, i love it when folks are honest. >> well, yes. he's appealed to the middle and the left and the right and everybody else, mitt romney has. if you want to talk about his position on abortion, he's gotten quite a few of those. >> i'm glad you brought that up. much has been made over that. in fact, the u.s. news and world report put out an excellent piece over the number of different views he's had over his political career. how can we discern what governor romney's actual view on abortion and women's rights, what his actual view is? >> we can't. we can't. they have changed. when he first took office as governor of massachusetts, he said he was pro choice. then he appears to have had a sincere conversion to the pro life side, which he so far has maintained, but he said he's not going to sponsor any legislation to stage the status quo on abo
ronald reagan did the same thing from the right. the middle in america governors. it's like a bell curve. most americans are in the middle. you have to appeal to the middle in order to win and then to governor effectively. >> bill, i love it when folks are honest. >> well, yes. he's appealed to the middle and the left and the right and everybody else, mitt romney has. if you want to talk about his position on abortion, he's gotten quite a few of those. >> i'm glad you brought...
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what mitt romney will do as president is the same thing that ronald reagan did and, frankly, bill clinton did. hold your principles. be tough. in the end you know you have to negotiate, and that's the only way this country can move forward. that is what president romney will do, and that's the president that people saw potential president that people saw in the next president they saw debating the other night. >> governor strickland, the last few seconds to you. new polls in ohio, is it going to be a closer race than it has been when we see the results come out? >> of course, ohio cannot be taken for granted, candy, by any candidate or either political party. it will be a very close race. i believe because of the president's saving of the american auto industry, which, in fact is related to manufacturing jobs in ohio, and ohio is coming back, and we're grateful for that, but the president deserves in my judgment the lion's share of t the credit for ohio's economy, and its rebound. >> from ohio governor ted strickland. ohio attorney general and former senator mike dewine, thank you both fo
what mitt romney will do as president is the same thing that ronald reagan did and, frankly, bill clinton did. hold your principles. be tough. in the end you know you have to negotiate, and that's the only way this country can move forward. that is what president romney will do, and that's the president that people saw potential president that people saw in the next president they saw debating the other night. >> governor strickland, the last few seconds to you. new polls in ohio, is it...
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>> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans for medicare. the vice president made an effort to be engaged even when congressman ryan had the floor. unlike president obama, the vice president kept his eyes on his opponent smiling and shaking his head as the republican candidate attacked. >>> the hot topic of libya and the deadly assault in benghazi that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. president obama's deputy campaign manager suggested the only reason the obama's handling of the attack is because the republicans are talking about it on the campaign trail. she said that was reckless and irresponsib irresponsible. last night, ryan blasted the white house. >> it took the presi
>> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans for medicare. the vice president made an effort to be engaged even when...
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president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are looking for a solid performance to try to stop the republican momentum, to try to quash the poll imbalance that romney and ryan have been enjoying since the debate last week even if stephanie cutter tried to tell us a minute ago there was so much bounce. to that end, chuck todd joins us from the debate site with new polling information out today. chuck, what do we know today, chuck? >> i think we know, look, there has been some movement in romney's direction. now, some of it is, i would say, if you look at everything we've learned over the last few days, in our polling, in ohio, florida, and vir
president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are...
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. >> ronald reagan -- >> okay. good morning. >> i missed that one. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, october 12th. with us on set, we have the former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. and contributor to "newsweek" and the daily beast and former adviser to george w. bush, mark mckinnon. >> wait. no, hold on. what is that, willie? >> it's fair to call it the mexican scarf. >> willie and i both were thinking about wearing that yesterday, but we were afraid we'd come to the set wearing the same thing. >> yes. maybe mark feels the need to distract this morning. >> distracting. let's see what al hunt is wearing this morning. >> washington executive -- oh -- of bloomberg news, al hunt. oh, my goodness. and from the site of last night's debate in zanvilldanvil kentucky, mark halperin. >> i think i speak for everybody when i say this morning we are all washington senators. >> we are. >> i'm still not going to call them the nats. we had a debate, but willie, really quickly last night, some more grea
. >> ronald reagan -- >> okay. good morning. >> i missed that one. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, october 12th. with us on set, we have the former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, howard dean. and contributor to "newsweek" and the daily beast and former adviser to george w. bush, mark mckinnon. >> wait. no, hold on. what is that, willie? >> it's fair to call it the...
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bush than to ronald reagan. in comparison, when you consider ronald reagan was actually willing to raise taxes and the spike in growth that you saw in the 1980s came after a big tax hike. what mitt romney is saying is, no, we can't make the wealthy pay more of their fair share. what we have to do is just cut taxes for everybody, cut tacks for corporations and by doing that by making sure that the people at the very top do better, somehow that will trickle down. what we know is that doesn't work. >> jim, on the campaign trail are you hearing a lot of chatter as well about the moderate mitt? we've heard bill clinton say, oh, the moderate mitt is back, oh -- it sort of comes off the president's post-debate thing about he is lying. that's not what he said. he has completely changed. a, has he completely changed, or have they, what we call putting emphasis on a different syllable? >> i put this to a romney aid viesor, and he pushed back on this. he said that the gvr is talking about bipartisanship more now that he ha
bush than to ronald reagan. in comparison, when you consider ronald reagan was actually willing to raise taxes and the spike in growth that you saw in the 1980s came after a big tax hike. what mitt romney is saying is, no, we can't make the wealthy pay more of their fair share. what we have to do is just cut taxes for everybody, cut tacks for corporations and by doing that by making sure that the people at the very top do better, somehow that will trickle down. what we know is that doesn't...
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when ronald reagan came into office and looked at social security. he appointed a bipartisan commission and they studied it for two years. and in 1983, they moved forward to pass legislation to reform social security. so those are the kind of things that you can do. i've seen it when i was governor. when we brought democrats and republicans together, we did the infrastructure. we made the commitment to rebuild california. we did a lot of progress in reducing the greenhouse gases and making a commitment to 33% of renewables in the year 2020. and stem cell research. on and on. and as soon as in 2005 when i thought i could go off by myself, and it's my way or the highway, just like the republican party, we're going to grind it out, it failed miserably. so i learned first hand is that the only action is when both parties come together. >> former governor of california. you understand the demographic shifts in the country very well. the latino population not just in california but throughout the southwest, throughout the midwest and the rest of the countr
when ronald reagan came into office and looked at social security. he appointed a bipartisan commission and they studied it for two years. and in 1983, they moved forward to pass legislation to reform social security. so those are the kind of things that you can do. i've seen it when i was governor. when we brought democrats and republicans together, we did the infrastructure. we made the commitment to rebuild california. we did a lot of progress in reducing the greenhouse gases and making a...
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green, i paid for this microphone was one of ronald reagan's breakthrough moment. the weird moment with eastwood and an empty chair may be symbolic of the first debate. >> the issue of the taxes alone, the big knock against governor romney here is that he walks away from a $5 trillion tax cut plan. he assumes that tax cuts spur growth and make the math work. simpson bowles say his math doesn't add up. you either explode the deficit. raise the middle class tax cuts, something has to give. >> something has to give and we just heard mike say that maybe the thing that gives is mortgage interest deductions. the single most important thing to middle class american families. and that's going to be and we'll get to this later. that's going to be a challenge for paul ryan. i think that what we have experiencing right now and we just said it, is that this sort of style over substance is, is, i don't think going to overtake this race. i think you have a president who was trying to move the facts out. was facing a guy who, who he hadn't seen before. either mitt romney is compl
green, i paid for this microphone was one of ronald reagan's breakthrough moment. the weird moment with eastwood and an empty chair may be symbolic of the first debate. >> the issue of the taxes alone, the big knock against governor romney here is that he walks away from a $5 trillion tax cut plan. he assumes that tax cuts spur growth and make the math work. simpson bowles say his math doesn't add up. you either explode the deficit. raise the middle class tax cuts, something has to give....
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. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to broaden the base and lower tax rates. what we're saying is, here is our frame work. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're sayg is s >>et to lower tax rates across the board. here's why i'm saying this. >> i hope i'm getting a timed response. >> you'll get time. >> we want to work with congress on how best to achieve this. that means successful -- >> no specifics, again. >> what we're saying is lower tax rates 20%. start with the wealthy. work with congress. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. >> six study advisory guaranteed. six study advisory verified this math adds up. >> vice president biden. vice president biden. >> let me translate. let me have a chance to translate. >> i'll come back in a second then, right? >> i was there when ronald reagan -- he gave specifics to what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expendit
. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to broaden the base and lower tax rates. what we're saying is, here is our frame work. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're sayg is s >>et to lower tax rates across the board. here's why i'm saying this. >> i hope i'm getting a timed response. >> you'll get time. >> we want to work with...
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>> ronald reagan. >> office live very different styles. >> generational. >> you have a candidate from before the baby boom and a candidate from after the baby boom. ryan struck me like the nba who was so smart that he didn't need the powerpoint because he had mastered all the slides by memory where as biden was the corner bar keep or the opinionated uncle at the thanksgiving table. i thought he didn't go too far. i thought biden was more on message, more disciplined and very systematic in raising every issue the democrats wanted to hear raise. ryan's spreefus support for social security privatization. there were people who thought biden was a little on the har up offing side. >> i do. he was smiling, there were times when he did cross the line and when he would seem to be dismissive of paul ryan and i think that's a hard line. and particularly when you're in that split screen and i think biden smiled a little too much when he shouldn't have, and just seemed a little dismissive. >> we're going to continue this. i want to look ahead, the lessons learned from this first and only vice pre
>> ronald reagan. >> office live very different styles. >> generational. >> you have a candidate from before the baby boom and a candidate from after the baby boom. ryan struck me like the nba who was so smart that he didn't need the powerpoint because he had mastered all the slides by memory where as biden was the corner bar keep or the opinionated uncle at the thanksgiving table. i thought he didn't go too far. i thought biden was more on message, more disciplined and...
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. >> ronald reagan. >> that's what you saul synap s synapses. now you're jack kennedy. >> the things that's so hard to analyze this debate, you could not watch the whole debate, you could start at the first minute and say what do you think about joe biden? and if people said, i kind of like him, then you like the debate and you thought biden won. if you said -- >> by the way, that's been said about joe biden since 1972. you either like him or you don't. >> he's joe biden. to joe's point, he's unapologetic about his joe bidenness and i think when he embodies being that, that economic populist streak and the stuff at the end that you played earlier, chris, with abortion when he talks from that sort of i'm an irish catholic, i know who the people are, that's when he's at his best. i would say some of the laughing and the derisiveness, particularly on foreign policy, i thought was a little bit off putting and a little over the top. >> i think that's right. i think it was well-said by both. you. joe klein, chris cillizza. tea partier and birther stev
. >> ronald reagan. >> that's what you saul synap s synapses. now you're jack kennedy. >> the things that's so hard to analyze this debate, you could not watch the whole debate, you could start at the first minute and say what do you think about joe biden? and if people said, i kind of like him, then you like the debate and you thought biden won. if you said -- >> by the way, that's been said about joe biden since 1972. you either like him or you don't. >> he's joe...
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. >> ronald reagan. >> middle class got knock ond their heels. the great recession crushed them. they need help now. >> next time you hear them say don't worry about it, we'll get wealthy people to pay their fair share. watch out, middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. >> greta: right now gets go to jamesville, wisconsin. his father and -- family and friends gathered to watch. so what did you think? the congressman's brother and sister-in-law, good evening to all of you. nice to see you. >> hi, greta. >> hi. >>. >> greta: tobin i've gotten word you just got off the phone and received first phone call and from your brother. what did he have to say? >> this is just like paul. he was interested in how our evening went. and he knew there are four 500 people here supporters with very, very loyal thoughts and he wanted to know our evening went and sure enough, a humble guy. he wanted feed back and i was very proud of him. very pleased with how he performed. >> greta: oakley did you get on the snon. >> no. i let tobin talk to his brother. >> greta: were you nervous oakley leading
. >> ronald reagan. >> middle class got knock ond their heels. the great recession crushed them. they need help now. >> next time you hear them say don't worry about it, we'll get wealthy people to pay their fair share. watch out, middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. >> greta: right now gets go to jamesville, wisconsin. his father and -- family and friends gathered to watch. so what did you think? the congressman's brother and sister-in-law, good evening to all...